The Healing Power of Shamanism: Wendy Lindsey's Journey
Wendie Lindsey, a distinguished shaman and medicine woman, shares her profound journey into shamanism, revealing how her spiritual experiences from childhood shaped her path. Central to our discussion is the understanding that shamanism serves as a conduit for healing, enabling individuals to reconnect with their inner selves and ancestral lineages. Through her unique insights and practices, Wendie elucidates the transformative power of shamanic work, particularly in addressing trauma and facilitating soul retrieval. Furthermore, she emphasizes the importance of self-love and the spiritual resources available to each person, highlighting the interconnectedness of all beings. Join us as we delve into Wendie's enlightening experiences and explore the profound implications of shamanism on human potential.
A Shamanic Perspective
The discussion with Wendie Lindsey reveals the profound nature of shamanism and its intricate relationship with human consciousness. As a shamanic practitioner, Wendy shares her transformative journey, which commenced in her formative years. Her experiences with spiritual entities and her inquisitive nature led her to embrace her role as a medicine woman. Wendy elucidates how her childhood experiences were foundational in shaping her understanding of the metaphysical world, allowing her to connect deeply with both her lineage and the spirits that guide her work. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of self-exploration and the vital role that shamanism plays in facilitating personal and spiritual healing.
Wendy articulates the core principles of shamanism, highlighting its relevance to modern life. Listeners are invited to consider the untapped potential that lives within themselves and how shamanism can serve as a pathway to rediscovering that potential. The discussion serves as both an informative overview of shamanic practices and a personal narrative that inspires listeners to reflect on their own spiritual journeys. Wendy’s insights into the healing process underscore the importance of addressing trauma at a soul level, advocating for a holistic approach that integrates both physical and spiritual healing.
The conversation delves into the practical applications of shamanism, particularly in dealing with grief and loss, whether it be related to human relationships or the bond with animals. Wendy’s experiences with clients illustrate the depth of healing that can occur when one engages with their spiritual path, revealing how shamanism facilitates reconnection with lost aspects of the self. This episode is not merely a recounting of Wendy’s journey but a clarion call to all who seek deeper understanding and healing in their lives. >> Wendie Lindsey’s dialogue on shamanism invites us into a world where the mysteries of existence intertwine with personal narratives of healing and self-discovery. Her journey from childhood to becoming a medicine woman is marked by a series of spiritual awakenings that have profoundly shaped her understanding of the human condition. Throughout the episode, Wendy discusses the various spiritual experiences that have guided her, emphasizing how these moments have informed her practice.
This personal account serves as a testament to the power of shamanism as a tool for transformation, illuminating the profound potential within each individual to connect with their inner wisdom and ancestral roots. Wendy also addresses the misconceptions surrounding shamanism, clarifying its essence as a holistic practice that transcends mere healing rituals. She explains how shamanism encompasses a deep respect for nature and the interconnection of all beings, advocating for a return to the roots of our spiritual heritage. This emphasis on communion with nature is a central theme in Wendy’s teachings, as she encourages listeners to explore their own lineage and the spiritual gifts it may hold. Her insights provide a compelling argument for embracing shamanism not only as a healing modality but as a comprehensive framework for understanding our place in the universe. In the latter part of the conversation, Wendy delves into specific practices such as soul retrieval, which illustrates the depth of shamanic healing. She discusses case studies from her practice, showcasing how clients have experienced profound shifts in their consciousness through shamanic journeying. These testimonials highlight the transformative power of shamanism and the importance of fostering a relationship with one’s spiritual guides.
Ultimately, this episode serves as an invitation to embark on a personal exploration of shamanism, encouraging listeners to embrace their spiritual path with courage and curiosity.
The episode featuring Wendie Lindsey offers a compelling exploration of shamanism, weaving together personal anecdotes and practical insights into the transformative power of this ancient practice. Wendy shares her journey from an inquisitive child experiencing profound spiritual encounters to a seasoned shaman dedicated to healing others. Her narrative is enriched with reflections on familial influences, societal conditioning, and the eventual reclamation of her spiritual sovereignty.
This journey of self-discovery resonates deeply, inviting listeners to contemplate their own paths and the potential for healing that lies within. Central to the discussion is the concept of shamanism as a means of reconnecting with one’s essence and lineage. Wendy articulates the significance of ancestral work, emphasizing how understanding one’s heritage can unlock profound insights into personal healing. Through shamanic practices, individuals can navigate their internal landscapes, addressing trauma and rediscovering lost aspects of themselves. Wendy’s insights into soul retrieval and the spiritual dimensions of healing highlight the necessity of integrating both mind and soul in the pursuit of wellness.
The episode also touches upon the integration of nature within shamanic practice, underscoring the importance of establishing a connection with the earth and its rhythms. Wendy encourages listeners to engage with their surroundings, advocating for a lifestyle that honors the interconnectedness of all beings. This ecological perspective enriches the listener’s understanding of shamanism as a holistic approach to healing and personal growth. Overall, Wendy’s message is one of empowerment, urging individuals to recognize the profound potential within themselves to effect positive change through shamanic practices.
Takeaways:
- Wendie Lindsey emphasizes the profound connection between shamanism and personal sovereignty, highlighting that true healing begins with self-discovery and acceptance.
- The podcast explores the significance of ancestral lineage in shamanism, asserting that understanding one's heritage can lead to deeper self-awareness and personal empowerment.
- Listeners are encouraged to engage with their internal world through practices such as meditation and sound therapy, which facilitate a stronger connection to their spirit.
- Wendie discusses the healing power of nature and animals, illustrating how shamanistic practices can aid in processing grief and fostering emotional healing.
- Shamanism is portrayed not merely as a spiritual path but as a holistic approach to life that integrates the physical, emotional, and spiritual aspects of human existence.
- The episode underscores the ongoing journey of learning and development within shamanism, highlighting that even experienced practitioners remain students of the universe.
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Speaker B:And she is Wendy Lindsay from and I've got to get this right, the pooh, she's going to have to correct me again.
Speaker B:The Pulili Spirit Spa in Hawaii.
Speaker B:So I get a Scotsman to try and say that.
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Speaker B:And it's next.
Speaker B:Anyway, without further ado, let me bring my guest on tonight who's also a member of our network.
Speaker B:And if you're interested it in shamanism.
Speaker B:I don't know a great deal about shamanism.
Speaker B:I'm really excited to talk to her about her journey.
Speaker B:And you're going to hear, you're just going to love her, you're going to hear so much about her.
Speaker B:But she's also going to be teaching a master class and teaching some classes within our network as well.
Speaker B:I'm really excited.
Speaker B:So let me bring in Wendy Lindsay from the Puli Spirit Spa.
Speaker B:I probably got that totally wrong.
Speaker B:Wendy, how are you?
Speaker C:Hi there.
Speaker C:No, that was a really good shot.
Speaker C:Pulelehua Spirit Spa.
Speaker C:You pretty much nailed it.
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker B:I was like, pulelehua Spirit Spa.
Speaker B:I've got to say, honestly, even when, look at, you have to be very careful.
Speaker B:There's been so many times that I kind of screwed somebody's name up or.
Speaker B:And I just blame it down to being Scottish.
Speaker B:But Wendy, it's so great to have you here.
Speaker B:I'm really excited about this conversation because you're in beautiful Hawaii, but you go between Hawaii and California.
Speaker C:I do, I do.
Speaker B:But you're a shaman.
Speaker C:Yes, I am absolutely a medicine person, a medicine woman.
Speaker C:And that is something that has been a slow burning process since birth, really.
Speaker B:So let's do that.
Speaker B:Let's tell everybody about your experiences when you were young and how you became a shaman, what you did and how you were drawn into it.
Speaker C:Yes, yes.
Speaker C:I would say, you know, as a child I had many different kinds of spiritual experiences that would happen to me.
Speaker C:And a lot of these experiences would be during the evening time, during dream time and sleep time.
Speaker C:And different beings would approach me, different paranormal activities, would kind of dip and dive in, in that.
Speaker C:In between subconscious states of mind when my, you know, normal consciousness was asleep.
Speaker C:So that would happen a lot as a child and during my waking life.
Speaker C:There are many moments where I would speak about it to family and sort of bring it up.
Speaker C:And a lot of that was.
Speaker C:It wasn't that it was shut down, but it was more just not something that we talked about at the dinner table.
Speaker B:And how did you, you know, with these experiences, did you, were you inquisitive?
Speaker B:Were you frightened?
Speaker B:Anybody who's watching this on YouTube or any of the video platforms that we're on, you might find that I've got a little bit of a cold sore here, which I'M very sorry anybody's looking at.
Speaker B:But, hey, this is life.
Speaker B:I'm getting over the flu, so just said, so.
Speaker B:Yeah, let's go back.
Speaker B:So how did you feel with these experiences?
Speaker B:When did they scare you or were you more inquisitive with it?
Speaker C:I was extremely inquisitive.
Speaker C:Like, as a child, I think, like, right as soon as I could speak, it was a question.
Speaker C:And I used to ask so many questions to my mother and to my external world.
Speaker C:Why is the sky blue?
Speaker C:Why are the trees green?
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker C:You know, I. I kind of have, like, a very inquisitive spirit.
Speaker C:And as I grew and I would enter into different rooms as we grow up and different conversations, there were things that I would have premonitions and I would know in advance.
Speaker C:And the world just sort of conditionally kind of shut that down a lot.
Speaker C:So I think I went through a period of isolation and kind of kind of a quietness where I tried to fit into the normal set of standards.
Speaker C:Even in school, in grade school, even throughout, you know, high school.
Speaker C:I mean, it wasn't really up until I was, like, old enough to really own a bit of my own sovereignty, to kind of ask some of the questions, the harder, deeper questions to my family and really start to dig up answers to those questions.
Speaker B:How did they take it, though, as you were.
Speaker B:These experiences that you had, how did your family actually take that?
Speaker B:Because, I mean, before we get into your shamanistic work.
Speaker B:But how did they, you know, did you find that they kind of embraced that or were a bit worried for you, tried to, you know, put you off?
Speaker C:Well, okay, so waking up in the middle of the night, running out of the room, being.
Speaker C:Being, like, shook by different entities, and then also having peaceful experiences as well, kind of alongside of that.
Speaker C:It was kind of like my consciousness was open to everything.
Speaker C:And I had to learn, as I grew with my shamanistic traits, I learned how to manage those things.
Speaker C:And so when I was younger, I would have these experiences where I would be shook or these different paranormal things would happen, and I would.
Speaker C:I would always know.
Speaker C:And I would get out of bed and I would go to my mother's room and say, there's an entity in my room.
Speaker C:There's a spirit in my room.
Speaker C:I don't know what to do.
Speaker C:And of course, coming from a religious background.
Speaker B:Ignore.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:And so that was right there.
Speaker C:That was, you know, we're gonna throw this out of you.
Speaker C:We're going to make sure you go to church and do all of these things.
Speaker C:And then that's where I sort of opened up to the flow of what felt right.
Speaker C:But it created resistance inside of me that didn't feel like it was my, my freedom or my sovereignty.
Speaker C:It was sort of something imposed on me and that created of resistance.
Speaker C:And it was within that resistance and the conditional belief of the world and just how we are, you know, you know how we are brought up.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:That caused problems for me later on because as I grew into my own timeline with shamanism and growing up and blossoming as a woman, my sovereignty grew so stronger and my voice wanted to come up stronger.
Speaker C:And so then I hit just a really big spot in my life where I really had to go inward and really had to detach from family.
Speaker C:And I really think that that's kind of how I ended up in the Hawaiian Islands.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker B:How did you, so how did you find then?
Speaker B:Because you've mentioned shamanism a couple of times there through your.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And essentially there had to be a, a moment like where it was your aha moment or this was your catalyst.
Speaker B:How did you find shamanism and what, what made you feel that that was the path for you?
Speaker B:Wendy?
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:It was a very integral moment.
Speaker C:I mean I can pinpoint it on my internal map.
Speaker C:It was when I decided to study massage therapy.
Speaker C:I decided to really commit to becoming the hands on healer.
Speaker C:And that is really when I like my whole world, my whole trajectory just shifted and turned a corner.
Speaker C:And that's when things really started ramping up for me with clients.
Speaker C:Like the daily for me would be to see their ancestors started dipping in while I was doing massage.
Speaker C:And it's like a lot of my dormant remembrance started coming online.
Speaker C:And that was a lot for me.
Speaker C:It was so much that after about two years of practice I had to really put it aside for a while.
Speaker C:And that's when I really started dipping more into shamanism.
Speaker C:The relation like relationally my lineage, my DNA and what that really was the truth of the matter and how that really, really I had to dig and dig and dig.
Speaker C:And then I also leaned into several different shamanic programs which I stuck with for over 10 years.
Speaker B:Because you, last time you and I spoke, I mean I was quite surprised that you had, you had done so much integration with shamanism and teaching.
Speaker B:Yes, not so much teaching, we'll get into that, but learning actually going on and studying with various shamans that it took you over 10 years to learn this?
Speaker C:It sure did.
Speaker C:It did take me over 10 years.
Speaker C:I had so many questions.
Speaker C:I'm still that really curious woman with all kinds of questions and that appetite just needs to be satiated.
Speaker C:So the interesting thing was, was that it always circled back around to my own intuition.
Speaker C:So that what was coming through with spirit and my own intuition, I would go hunt it down for validation through other shamans and other people.
Speaker C:Which was fabulous because there was always a learning curve.
Speaker C:There was always more that was like delivered to me, but it was always circled back to what was already kind of living inside of me.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:But I had to unlock it.
Speaker C:It was like an unveiling and unlocking and a remembering of who I am and what I've been in other life.
Speaker B:I love you using the word remembering because that's.
Speaker B:Yeah, that is us remembering, you know, getting back to the reality of where we came from, who we are.
Speaker B:Let me ask you.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Because I have a basic understanding of shamanism, obviously just in my life and my development.
Speaker B:But there's people out there that are going to be listening, Wendy, that actually don't know what shamanism is and the benefits it has and where it comes from.
Speaker B:So teach them a little bit that.
Speaker B:Because there's people here that will be listening, that love the holistic natural lifestyle, but they don't actually know what it is.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Shamanism can be integrated into all facets of your life.
Speaker C:For me, it has been the deepest, most freeing integration.
Speaker C:And you're right, shamanism has been around for like millennia.
Speaker C:It's been around for man.
Speaker C:I mean, it was like the first spiritual asset, you know, our connection to nature and animals and the universe and the spirit within those things.
Speaker C:And so we believe that everything has a spirit, everything has a soul.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And it's in respect and remembrance and honor of those things.
Speaker C:And really, honestly, it starts with our own remembering of our own self, love and our own lineages.
Speaker C:So what I.
Speaker C:How I would love to teach is really to start with, you're going a deep dive inside, looking at your internal world and how you connect to your own lineage.
Speaker C:So that would be like my best advice for somebody, like straight out, if you don't know a lot about shamanism, I guarantee you, in your own lineage, back and back and back.
Speaker C:Doesn't matter how back.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Because there is no time and space in the spiritual realms.
Speaker C:We are not linear.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:We were on a.
Speaker C:Absolutely on a spiral path.
Speaker C:The spiral path is integrated in nature.
Speaker C:It's integrated in our bodies.
Speaker C:It's integrated in crystals and animals.
Speaker C:You know, the spiral DNA is really the basis for shamanism.
Speaker C:So it's Getting.
Speaker C:Getting away from the linear conditional thinking and really stopping and looking at your own lineage, your ancestors, your own DNA.
Speaker C:Because shamanism was all over the world.
Speaker B:So when we pray, this is huge actually.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:It's huge.
Speaker C:And when we pray to the north, everybody.
Speaker B:Even when I've had a look at it, actually, from you and I speaking, I looked at it a little bit more, and I found that it was in indigenous cultures everywhere.
Speaker B:It's thousands and thousands of years old.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Even before Christianity, you know, when you and I spoke the last time, I was like, you know what?
Speaker B:I'll dive in a little bit of this to get a little bit more.
Speaker B:And it is very intriguing.
Speaker B:It's not what I had in my mind.
Speaker B:Right, okay.
Speaker B:I love how you talk about as well.
Speaker B:It's going inside, and it's almost like a shadow work type nature.
Speaker B:I've got a great friend of mine who's an expert on shadow work.
Speaker B:She's great.
Speaker B:Aarti Patel.
Speaker B:Phenomenal.
Speaker B:And I'll introduce you to her.
Speaker B:You love her.
Speaker B:But also, I think with this, this way that you're looking at it from going inside to find your lineage.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:That can be quite a frightening thing.
Speaker B:Because so many people don't want to go inside.
Speaker C:Yes, exactly, Exactly.
Speaker C:It is a frightening thing to look inside.
Speaker C:There's so much trauma and there's.
Speaker C:And we all have it.
Speaker C:There's so much to look at, and it's so much easier to live a life without looking at those dark corners, without looking you asking those crazy questions, you know, but really to have the growth, we need to be uncomfortable.
Speaker C:We need to start not looking in this lens, but we need to open it up.
Speaker C:We need to open up our minds so that we can connect.
Speaker C:There's no way for us and for our guides and our consciousness to expand unless we start to open up our internal world and what that has looked like for us.
Speaker C:We've been told a lot of stories.
Speaker C:We've been told a lot of stories about who we are and what we are.
Speaker C:And I guarantee you, when you start to work with shamanism, you're gonna get to a truth and a sovereign truth deep down inside of you, you know, and I. I'm not promising that it's gonna be overnight, you know, it could take years.
Speaker B:No, I mean, it took you 10 years of study as well.
Speaker B:And in reality, you're still developing.
Speaker B:Like, you know, you said to me, you're still.
Speaker C:Yes, and that's the beauty of shamanism, is that you still are learning.
Speaker C:I am always going to be a student of the universe.
Speaker C:I am always going to be, you know, a person that is curious and asking those questions.
Speaker C:You know, the knowledge that I've gained through shadow work and embodiment are initiations that I needed to go through in order to get to be, you know, a teacher, to share and help to be empowered through self love.
Speaker C:So that I'm confident enough to go out there in the world and say, hey, maybe this could help you.
Speaker C:This is, you know, this helped me, you know, and so that's where I'm at.
Speaker B:What, what kind of essential.
Speaker B:I find it fascinating how in different modalities in the holistic world, we have massage and psychotherapy and, you know, psychedelic experience, which.
Speaker B:The psychedelic experiences kind of overlap into shamanism because the psychedelics come from shamanistic culture.
Speaker B:So I find that fascinating how, you know, each of these different modalities fits into someone's paradigm, someone's ideological framework of what they're looking for.
Speaker B:Why would people come.
Speaker B:What kind of problems?
Speaker B:Why would people come to you or come to a shaman like you?
Speaker B:What problems would they have where they just.
Speaker B:They're turning away for the Western world, but there's something else and they're coming to you.
Speaker B:What kind of help, you know, what are they looking for from you?
Speaker C:Yes, yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I'm not denoting doctors or Western doctors, but yeah, right.
Speaker C:And I truly believe there is such an intelligence to shamanism and to spiritual work.
Speaker C:And we all know that we can.
Speaker C:We can purge in spiritual ways and rebirth and go through death and rebirth processes and come out a completely transformed person.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm truly, truly an example of this.
Speaker C:And I've actually.
Speaker C:I've never done ayahuasca.
Speaker C:I've never done.
Speaker C:And I'm also not denoting ayahuasca or any of those psychedelic things because of that can help somebody get to their sovereignty, then by all means.
Speaker C:So where I am is developing like completely our.
Speaker C:Our own organic skill set that we are within us.
Speaker C:What's within us?
Speaker C:Yeah, those types of initiations and death and rebirth and shadow work are so powerful.
Speaker C:I highly recommend that people lean in to that kind of sober work first, you know, and see where that takes you.
Speaker C:It's like an invitation to say, let me give this a try.
Speaker C:Let me see if I can unlock, you know, different facets of who I am and what I am with my own, you know, connections before I even, you know, dabble in psychedelics.
Speaker B:So do you think, Wendy, that people come to you when they're looking for something?
Speaker B:Deeper or something they can't.
Speaker B:Or would they say, look, maybe somebody comes for a massage, maybe someone comes for a counseling session, or maybe somebody's like, there's something going wrong in my life.
Speaker B:Or it might be that they've had trauma from a divorce or something.
Speaker B:Are they coming to you with a trauma or are they coming to you because they've lost their way and they're looking for something?
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:So I would say, like, shamanism can actually address all.
Speaker C:Every single issue that you just said, but to kind of bring it to a deeper scope.
Speaker C:In shamanism, we believe that trauma causes an injury and a loss to your soul.
Speaker C:So if you went through a lot of trauma as a child, and you've never addressed, on a soul level, spiritual work, shamanistic, like in that way, then that is something that you could lean into a soul retrieval.
Speaker C:And what a shaman can do, what a medicine, skilled medicine person, a shaman can do, is travel in between the worlds.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:To go see, seek wisdom, knowledge, and healing for your client.
Speaker C:So that's the scope of a soul retrieval.
Speaker C:So what happens is you go to a medicine person.
Speaker C:Yes, and I would.
Speaker C:I travel in between those zones, right.
Speaker C:Of consciousness, those fields of consciousness where my beautiful spirit team lives.
Speaker C:And I work with them to spiritually medicine the person that's coming to me.
Speaker C:So I work directly with my guides for the information and the wisdom and the healing and the power from them.
Speaker C:I work with them, co collaborating synergistically, and then I deliver that to my client.
Speaker B:You know, that is fascinating.
Speaker B:So it's like a deep healing.
Speaker B:It's like a really deep soul level healing.
Speaker B:So I had an idea that, when you're talking about that, I had this thought process, if you like, this idea that you were going in and trying to find someone's lost part of their soul and bring it back.
Speaker B:But it's actually more than that.
Speaker B:You're actually healing something that is broken, shattered.
Speaker C:Both.
Speaker C:It's absolutely both.
Speaker C:So you could go in.
Speaker C:Because we're so complex, we're all multidimensional.
Speaker C:So it's minds, spirit, body and soul.
Speaker C:So where Western medicine can address the physicality of somebody's sickness, a spiritual doctor, a shaman can come in and address the spiritual sickness.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:So for every, like, we look at it as a whole.
Speaker C:So if somebody comes and they have a problem with a physical problem, but there's something deeper going on spiritually that they need to have.
Speaker C:Their soul needs to have that spiritual part be brought in to that puzzle of a person locked in.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So Sometimes in my sessions, I get lots of information about things that the person's like their first.
Speaker C:Their first layer in their mind.
Speaker C:They're not connecting to that.
Speaker C:But then when we.
Speaker B:Something deeper.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And you get that deeper knowing that spiritual.
Speaker C:That spiritual reasoning.
Speaker C:The answer, the spiritual answer to a physical ailment, then it like clicks in and they go, oh, wow, I can't believe that I have this.
Speaker C:This migraine headache because I've been squeezing, you know, the, the wheel to my car when I drive.
Speaker C:Every time I'm sitting stressed out and I'm squeezing the wheel and it's causing me tendinitis and then I'm getting these horrendous headaches.
Speaker C:And here I am thinking my headache is because, you know, because my.
Speaker C:My boyfriend is calling me at 9am or something.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:And so I think that's.
Speaker B:I think that's fascinating because it's.
Speaker B:I do believe that every physical ailment or every physical.
Speaker B:Even the trauma that we have existentially from environment or from experiences is there is a spiritual disconnect.
Speaker B:It comes from the psych, if you like.
Speaker B:We look at Carl Jung did a lot of work on that deeper aspect, the psychosagioli.
Speaker B:There's this deeper aspect which then if it's out of balance, then it manifests in the physical reality.
Speaker B:So I love the way you're going with it because it kind of does.
Speaker B:It does answer that.
Speaker B:Look, whatever you're going to experience outside.
Speaker B:And I think Wayne Dyer, who lived in Hawaii, you know, he had a beautiful band.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, he had a spiritual solution to every problem.
Speaker B:Great book.
Speaker B:And he lived by that.
Speaker B:And I think that's true.
Speaker B:I think there is a spiritual solution to every problem that's out there because we come from Spirit, essentially.
Speaker B:So give me some examples of maybe with obviously keeping confidentiality, but how you have helped your clients with the issues that they've come to and how you found that solution.
Speaker C:Yes, beautiful.
Speaker C:I love the question because I, you know.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Confidential.
Speaker C:I'll just say, like, I recently had a beautiful session with a beautiful client and she was mourning the loss of a loved one that was so, so special.
Speaker C:And Spirit told me.
Speaker C:Yes, Spirit told me, you know, Spirit sent me to the beach.
Speaker C:Spirit said, go to the beach and take a nature walk and I'll show you a few things for your tool belt so you can help your client.
Speaker C:And I said, okay.
Speaker C:So I went to the beach and spirit was showing me right and left the medicine, collecting medicine for My client.
Speaker C:And I will tell you, it was miraculous what came up because Spirit was telling me yell, like giving me.
Speaker C:Telling me to pick some yellow flowers.
Speaker C:And I also am a sound therapist, so I have a beautiful, like grounding bowl and it's bright yellow.
Speaker C:And Spirit told me, use your grounding bowl, use your frequency with your grounding bowl and among some other tools, spiritual tools, when you go into the session.
Speaker C:And so we went into the session and it was about a two hour session, you know, for grief.
Speaker C:And as we were working together, I told her, I brought these yellow flowers for you and to help you with this grief.
Speaker C:And she just burst out because she was like, wow.
Speaker C:The last moments of her beautiful pet.
Speaker C:Her beautiful pet passed of 11 years.
Speaker C:It's okay for me to say that.
Speaker B:So yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:Past of 11 years.
Speaker C:Because I work with.
Speaker C:With greed like animals as well.
Speaker C:So yeah, so she was just like, wow.
Speaker C:She was like, the last moments I spent were on the lanai with my pet in the sun because they loved the sunshine so much.
Speaker C:It was so important that the last heartbeat was on the lanai with the sun shining so bright.
Speaker C:And it was just magical and beautiful.
Speaker C:And that was exactly why Spirit was showing me the sun and to bring in the warmth for her and for her beautiful pet that I just passed.
Speaker C:That was right there, not quite over, you know, right there.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And they just had a beautiful kinship.
Speaker C:We all had a beautiful ceremony together of joy and of love, bringing in the warmth of the sun.
Speaker C:And that was so healing for all involved.
Speaker C:All involved.
Speaker C:And she texted me later on that night and she said, thank you so much.
Speaker C:I am so tired, but I'm at peace.
Speaker C:And then she texted me the next day.
Speaker C:She said, I can't even believe I said, slept all night long.
Speaker C:I slept seven hours and normally my feet are freezing and I felt so warm and I had this great blood flow, you know, and it was just super miraculous.
Speaker B:That's honestly, I love that.
Speaker B:That's awesome.
Speaker B:That you can help in that way is give me another example of with someone that you've helped, not just maybe with something different for grief and things.
Speaker B:Because I think when people hear how your shamanistic journeys.
Speaker B:Is that right?
Speaker B:You go on a journey when you're doing it, when you're doing a session, is it a journey that you go.
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Speaker C:Yeah, it's super intuitive.
Speaker C:So it's yes.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:To answer Your question?
Speaker C:Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker C:Journey is required.
Speaker C:It's journey work.
Speaker C:So I use a lot of my tools that are my sacred tools that I've been initiated with.
Speaker C:I use my drum and then my sound tools.
Speaker C:I'm a sound therapist and I was so deeply initiated by my Tibetan master teacher.
Speaker C:So that is super powerful in my repertoire as well.
Speaker C:But I can.
Speaker C:Let me think of another situation where shamanism really helped.
Speaker C:And what's coming to mind is our.
Speaker C:We had massive fires here in Maui about.
Speaker B:I remember that was all over the news.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, we had massive fires here.
Speaker C:It was really unstabilizing for everyone.
Speaker C:For the whole island, basically.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:And a lot of times, spirit will bring me different people and I'll know pretty quickly that I'm to work with them.
Speaker C:And so, yes.
Speaker C:And so I met.
Speaker C:I met a dear, dear client at a party, actually, and I said, you know, I'd love to do some work with you.
Speaker C:And she said.
Speaker C:She said, oh, I'd love that.
Speaker C:Let's get together.
Speaker C:Let's put it on the books.
Speaker C:So we put it on the books and we had the most miraculous session.
Speaker C:Like, she.
Speaker C:She's actually a testimonial on my website.
Speaker C:If you go in and you read the.
Speaker C:The first testimonial, there's a big lightning tree next to it.
Speaker C:And then her testimonial, she wrote about it.
Speaker C:It's like a whole page long.
Speaker C:But during our time.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was potent.
Speaker C:It was very potent.
Speaker C:And during our time together, we did three sessions.
Speaker C:And the first session she speaks about in is how spirit brought to her the healing, my healing guide that often comes in, in a very physical sort of way.
Speaker C:And so she actually could intercept my animal spirit guide.
Speaker C:So she intercepted that in the 3D in a very physical sense.
Speaker C:Like, she was hearing it.
Speaker C:It was very audible, right.
Speaker C:So we were having, like a very outer worldly experience in real time.
Speaker C:So these are the kind of miracles that can happen during shamanic sessions.
Speaker C:And so when we were done, she was very quiet.
Speaker C:And, you know, if people are very quiet or emotional, I'm just going to be very quiet because they're in a healing state space.
Speaker C:And so she received all this medicine, right?
Speaker C:So she was very feeling warm and good and grounded and at peace.
Speaker C:So I excused myself and I left.
Speaker C:And then we worked together a couple more sessions.
Speaker C:And every session was just like the nuances of every session shifted just a little bit to really meet her where she was at, the medicine that she needs was what was coming through through to her.
Speaker C:So that first Session was very like, outer worldly.
Speaker C:More like.
Speaker C:Yeah, more miraculous.
Speaker C:Because she needed to feel what was outside of her so her own trust and belief systems could kick into gear of trust and faith and love and self.
Speaker C:Love and knowingness.
Speaker C:Something bigger than herself.
Speaker C:Self coming in to heal her.
Speaker C:Because there's something magical that happens when that happens.
Speaker C:The nuances of that outerly coming inward and feeling that palpable feeling that palpable healing is, you know, sends you into a different reality than.
Speaker C:Than just like, here I am, I'm sad, and, you know, I want to heal myself, self.
Speaker C:So let me do abc.
Speaker C:I mean, all those things are great, but why would you go to a shaman for something different or extra?
Speaker C:So this is like the nuances of the type of medicine that is able to happen between two people.
Speaker C:So it's sort of like the spirit's medicine coming through me and then we all deliver together.
Speaker C:And then that person has an open heart to receive.
Speaker C:They receive all that they can, and then they are using it for whatever they need in their own healing.
Speaker C:And she needed that belief system.
Speaker C:She needed to feel that, to feel encompassed by something larger than her, you know, so she had been through a lot.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker C:Thank you so much.
Speaker C:She had been through a lot of trauma because her house burned down.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So, I mean, so people will come at you.
Speaker B:Obviously they've had some traumatic experiences and they're looking for answers or they're looking for.
Speaker B:I love the word that you used ages ago, we were chatting integration to integrate it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because it's a big thing for me, as well as integration of grief or anything like that.
Speaker B:I love how you're getting them to integrate these.
Speaker B:This kind of medicine that you're receiving.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:And you do it as a team and you're.
Speaker B:And they're part of that.
Speaker B:It's not that you're just giving the medicine.
Speaker B:They're actually part of that journey as well.
Speaker C:Yes, exactly.
Speaker C:My prayer is always that the medicine tempers to whatever that person is needing.
Speaker C:So when I work personally, I have different.
Speaker C:This is over the course of time, 10 years, how I've developed my skill set with my spirit team late.
Speaker C:It's relational.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because that's what is.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's based on my relations with my spirit guides.
Speaker C:I mean, someone can call themselves a shaman one day and then honestly, a year from there, they.
Speaker C:Their power, for whatever reason, can sort of.
Speaker C:I'm not going to say like, disappear, but it can.
Speaker C:Like you.
Speaker C:It's relational.
Speaker C:It's relational.
Speaker C:It's about, do you have to, Wendy.
Speaker B:Do you have to?
Speaker B:I'm interested in this because I know some shamans, you know, from what I've looked at in some indigenous cultures, when they go through their shaman mystic training or however you do it.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:You have to almost go through a dark night of the soul.
Speaker C:Yes, yes, absolutely.
Speaker C:For sure.
Speaker B:How did you.
Speaker B:And how did, how did you get through that and work with that?
Speaker C:Yeah, that was very intense.
Speaker C:I went.
Speaker C:I've been through many, many, many different initiations.
Speaker C:But I, I'll bring you back to my first one when I, When I was becoming a massage therapist, spirit was really leading me into the spiritual aspects that were coming up.
Speaker C:So my, my relation to my gifts were coming online and I would see people's ancestors and things were really starting to open up.
Speaker C:There were paranormal activity happening inside of my.
Speaker C:Yeah, my home.
Speaker C:Like, tons of orbs were coming in.
Speaker C:And it was a lot.
Speaker C:It was really a lot for me.
Speaker C:And that's when I, I took the break from massage therapy.
Speaker C:Because the hands on the body was really intense for me.
Speaker C:A lot was happening.
Speaker C:And then that's when I leaned into my program.
Speaker C:And when I leaned into my first shamanic program, I tell you, it was not for the weak at heart.
Speaker C:Like, it was a two week intense program.
Speaker B:I can imagine.
Speaker C:And many people, 30 people were in that program.
Speaker C:And about at the very end of it all, maybe 10 people were left.
Speaker B:Oh, really?
Speaker B:Do you see?
Speaker B:Why do people fall?
Speaker B:Do they find it hard or do they find it challenge?
Speaker B:Because like I said at the beginning, we were talking, it's hard for people to go inside and face themselves and do shadow work.
Speaker B:Like, my friend, we always laugh because I'm like, I tell her, like, I don't like doing that.
Speaker B:I don't like, you know, look at yourself in the mirror and, you know, sometimes you don't like what you see or there's things inside you that you don't want to come out.
Speaker B:And I get it.
Speaker B:So do you think that's what was happening with them?
Speaker B:That they got to a point where they just weren't ready?
Speaker C:It was happening with all of us, every single one of us, myself included.
Speaker C:There were parts of me that were coming up.
Speaker C:And when you, when you see spirit is very literal.
Speaker C:This is the thing.
Speaker C:We are.
Speaker C:So we're more spirit than we are human, honestly.
Speaker C:You know, what's that saying, right, where spirit having a human experience.
Speaker C:Experience.
Speaker B:Yeah, we.
Speaker B:We're human.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:We're not human having a spirit experience.
Speaker B:We're spirit having a human experience?
Speaker C:Yes, 100%.
Speaker C:And so this was a grand example of that, you know, because it may, you know, it sounds like, oh, fun, this is good.
Speaker C:Oh, you know, let's like dip and dive right into these woo woo things and what have you.
Speaker C:And that's fine.
Speaker C:I, I don't have like any issue with people being curious.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm like the most curious person.
Speaker C:But when you get into a program where you really start to ask and you start to dig, your mirror does come up really strong.
Speaker C:And I am just speaking for myself, but I really had to face that mirror.
Speaker C:And there were like parts of me that really came up that I had to face.
Speaker C:And that was the difficult thing is really like, am I ready?
Speaker C:You know, what's happening here?
Speaker C:Maybe, you know, like I wanted to continue with the program.
Speaker C:But yeah, lots of people like you ask for it and it comes up.
Speaker C:People were getting divorces, people were getting like sick sicknesses, people.
Speaker C:I mean, I don't want to scare anybody, but it just is something like shamanism is a deep path.
Speaker C:It is, it's deep and it's intense.
Speaker C:And the good news is, is that, you know, you know, you go through your initiations and you could really come out like an incredibly transformed, happy, peaceful, you know, person, you know, so.
Speaker B:And who wouldn't want that?
Speaker B:Who wouldn't want that?
Speaker B:I mean, seriously, we're always looking for transformation, I think.
Speaker B:Who wouldn't want that?
Speaker B:Wendy?
Speaker B:I think it's, it's.
Speaker B:And I'm excited because you're going to teach some of this shamanistic understandings within the network.
Speaker B:But why would someone want to take up shamanism?
Speaker B:Because it seems like to me from, from you and I speak, it's not an easy path.
Speaker B:Like, like I've been a medium for over 25 years.
Speaker B:It's not an easy path.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So what would you be saying to someone who's like, oh, I like what she's saying.
Speaker B:I wouldn't mind trying that.
Speaker B:Would you give them a warning?
Speaker B:Would you?
Speaker B:How would you prepare them?
Speaker C:No, you know what I would like right now, I'm teaching like, like very basic journeying skills.
Speaker C:And so really it is a dip and dive into yourself and your self love.
Speaker C:So if you really want to discover the light, the dark, the good, the, you know, lower frequency, the higher frequencies, if you're really a curious person that really wants to bring that forward and really develop relations with your own spirit team.
Speaker C:Because we all have resources.
Speaker C:We all, absolutely, we all have resources.
Speaker C:And so, and we all have, you Know, unlocked remembering of powerful ancestors, you know, that we can learn about and that we can utilize.
Speaker C:And so, you know, we are powerful beings and we do have lots and lots of connections.
Speaker C:And, you know, the.
Speaker C:The oneness that is for everyone, the oneness that is.
Speaker C:It just is.
Speaker C:We're all part of a beautiful family tree and we certainly are cosmic and one that everybody should not feel.
Speaker C:There's a lot of loneliness.
Speaker C:There's a lot of sorrow and grief, and I understand that.
Speaker C:I've been there.
Speaker C:But there is resources for us to dial into.
Speaker C:And shamanism is absolutely a fabulous one, a fabulous way for someone.
Speaker B:What is your.
Speaker B:I don't know if there is a favorite aspect.
Speaker B:What is your.
Speaker B:Is there a favorite aspect of shamanism that you prefer more than any?
Speaker B:I mean, I don't even know if there is different aspects of it.
Speaker B:So I'm kind of having a guess here.
Speaker B:Is there a favorite part to your shamanistic work that you.
Speaker B:That you love?
Speaker C:Yeah, I absolutely love ancestral work.
Speaker C:I love.
Speaker B:Yeah, you've mentioned that a few times, right?
Speaker C:Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker C:I love lineage and I love connection because we all have an indigenous bone in our body.
Speaker C:Everyone does.
Speaker C:Everyone has connection.
Speaker C:And so I invite everyone to.
Speaker C:To lean into shamanism for those reasons, for this beautiful resource.
Speaker C:To enhance.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that enhances your life because it enhances confidence in who you are and what you are and where you came from, really.
Speaker C:And your connections.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:So looking at.
Speaker B:So someone that's interested in their lineage or their spiritual lineage or whatever it is that can actually enhance every aspect of the life.
Speaker C:Looking into that, Yeah, I believe that 100%, because the spirits have a way of grounding and bringing everything back to what's inside of you.
Speaker C:And the biggest message that I ever got from a very prominent spirit guide of mine who is also family, she told me, you know, early on, very early on she said that, you know, Wende, it is all about the love.
Speaker C:Honestly, it is all about the love.
Speaker C:It starts with self love.
Speaker C:You know, don't complicate things.
Speaker C:Don't get too much in your head.
Speaker C:It's not about performing.
Speaker C:It's about the self love.
Speaker C:It's about the acceptance.
Speaker C:It's about creating the least resistance in your body that you can because it's the resistance that creates suffering.
Speaker B:Do you think people have a problem loving themselves?
Speaker C:Yeah, I think we're living in some hard times, and I think that it's really important to start with self.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's very critical.
Speaker C:It's critical.
Speaker B:What would you Say to someone then, that is listening to this now and they're like, you know what?
Speaker B:This is resonating to me.
Speaker B:How can they start?
Speaker B:Give them some kind of tip that they could start tomorrow looking at this or loving themselves a bit more.
Speaker B:What would drive them to that?
Speaker C:Yes, yes.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:I would say meditation is a beautiful way to start meditation.
Speaker C:I would say somatic practices that really slow down your mind.
Speaker C:Because we live in a society that's so fast and so everything is fast.
Speaker C:Fast and quick and jump in your car and go get it.
Speaker C:Do it like this.
Speaker B:Instant coffee.
Speaker B:Instant coffee.
Speaker B:We want it.
Speaker C:Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker C:So to slow down and to breathe.
Speaker C:Breathing practices are very powerful too, right?
Speaker C:Like breathing.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Meditation and breathing is honestly such a beautiful way to start your process, is such a beautiful way to lean into.
Speaker C:What direction do I want to go with my self healing, with my self love?
Speaker C:How can I start this journey?
Speaker C:I would definitely say start with somatic.
Speaker C:I would start with meditation.
Speaker B:What about someone, Wendy, who says, like, I'm just going to be devil's advocate here, right?
Speaker B:Somebody that says, you know what, Wendy?
Speaker B:Yeah, I, I hear what you're saying, right.
Speaker B:But I can't meditate.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I, I don't know how to meditate.
Speaker B:And I've, I've, I've tried or I've, I've tried it and I just, I don't find it's good for me.
Speaker B:I can't get into it.
Speaker B:I challenge myself.
Speaker B:What else would you say to them?
Speaker B:How would you guide them from that to something easier that they can start with to build them up to that?
Speaker C:Yes, great question.
Speaker C:I would.
Speaker C:My guides are telling me chanting, chanting is fabulous.
Speaker C:Chanting is.
Speaker C:The brain really loves to repeat positive modalities.
Speaker C:So you could choose a self love chant, right.
Speaker C:And you can just literally write those things down and you can literally just start chanting to yourself.
Speaker C:You can.
Speaker C:I mean, the best would be to be in a meditative state of mind.
Speaker C:But if you can't do that, if you're a person that's really wound up, you in the car, when you're driving, you can chant.
Speaker C:You could chant positive affirmations.
Speaker C:So chanting is very powerful.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:And actually, ladies and gentlemen, that's thousands of years old as well.
Speaker B:I mean, that's.
Speaker B:They've been chanting in indigenous cultures and Buddhism and I mean, obviously shamanism, but in every other culture there is a chant.
Speaker B:In the Middle east, the chant, the call to prayer.
Speaker C:Yes, yes.
Speaker C:So chanting would be one way and another way would be drumming.
Speaker C:Drumming is very therapeutic.
Speaker C:It's so I do like that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And there's just right.
Speaker C:There's just something about holding the stick and the drum.
Speaker C:I mean, the drum is the heartbeat of the universe.
Speaker C:It's the heartbeat of the earth.
Speaker C:It's that grounding.
Speaker C:You can go to the feet and put your feet in the dirt.
Speaker C:You can go to the mountain, you can go to a cliff, you can go to the grass.
Speaker C:You could go to your backyard.
Speaker C:Just get earthy and get your feet into the earth and you can just.
Speaker C:You could drum.
Speaker C:And you know what?
Speaker C:No one's.
Speaker C:You're not performing.
Speaker C:This is for you to relax.
Speaker C:This is for you to create space.
Speaker B:Yeah, see, I like that.
Speaker B:See, I couldn't.
Speaker B:Look, I know you love to do your drum and stuff.
Speaker B:I couldn't do that because it would just totally just.
Speaker B:I'd be thinking I'd be concentrating too much in making that drum.
Speaker B:But what I do love is if you were drumming, I would just sit there and listen to it.
Speaker B:And that would make me happy.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Because I love to hear it and be part of the sound.
Speaker B:I don't want to concentrate on doing it, but I'm happy to just sit and take it.
Speaker C:Receive.
Speaker C:Because it is methodical and it is healing.
Speaker C:And so it really needs to come.
Speaker C:Sometimes it needs to come outside of us.
Speaker C:Sometimes it needs to.
Speaker C:Something needs to come outside of our thoughts, outside of our internal.
Speaker C:It needs to be something bigger than those thoughts need to happen in order for us to shift, in order for us to lean into meditation.
Speaker C:I mean, sometimes our internal dialogue is so loud that we do need to turn to other people and healers and boom.
Speaker C:People we trust to.
Speaker C:To hear something louder than our own voices in our head.
Speaker C:And it helps.
Speaker C:It's helpful.
Speaker B:I think it is.
Speaker B:I think people self dialogue is what's destroying them as well.
Speaker B:And I think if they take that time to really learn about themselves.
Speaker B:I love this whole idea where you talk about taking people on a journey of themselves going on a journey with them and finding.
Speaker B:And them finding themselves essentially.
Speaker B:It's beautiful and it's very unique.
Speaker B:But it's not easy to do.
Speaker C:No, it's not easy to do.
Speaker C:And you just start really, no stress.
Speaker C:Like, don't put any pressure on yourself.
Speaker C:You know, it's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:And that's why, like the journey group that.
Speaker C:That I'm leading, it's very basic.
Speaker C:You know, we're not.
Speaker C:I'm not.
Speaker C:I don't want to.
Speaker C:That's the thing, right?
Speaker C:It's not supposed to be stressful it's not about performing, you know, but there is a structure to it.
Speaker C:And so you can just apply the structure and then just try it out.
Speaker C:And if not, then you can sit there and just listen to the drum and just meditate and just listen to the rhythm of the earth, the rhythm of the heartbeat of the drum.
Speaker C:It's very therapeutic.
Speaker C:And it's, it's another, you know, it's sound healing in and of itself.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:It's an indigenous way of enjoying sound healing.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:And as everything breaks down to a vibration, the sound is a vibration.
Speaker B:I want to ask you something.
Speaker B:Know whether this is involved in shamanism?
Speaker B:Now, I know that shamans, they will take psychedelics or mushrooms or whatever kind of compounds, but is there a nutritional aspect to shamanism?
Speaker B:And when you were going through your training, did you learn about, in particular, like, herbs or types of nutrition that would help you spiritually or open up spiritually?
Speaker B:Not the psychedelics, but just like a normal type of nutrition?
Speaker C:Yeah, that's, that's, thank you for, for asking that.
Speaker C:Because there are certain herbs.
Speaker C:It, you know, like, with, I just can speak from my own medicine.
Speaker C:So the spirits and like, my guides, they will give me herbs.
Speaker C:They will give me certain salves and colors and herbs and frequencies to give to my client.
Speaker C:Like, oh, okay, they're telling me coconut water or they're telling me coconut salve or, you know.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:So there are definitely certain, like, rosemary is a big one.
Speaker C:That's a big one.
Speaker C:Of course.
Speaker C:And Clary sage is huge.
Speaker C:That's a big one.
Speaker B:Well, I've got some of that, I got some of that through the other video.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And sweetgrass.
Speaker C:Do you like sweetgrass?
Speaker C:Sweetgrass is amazing.
Speaker B:I do like sweetgrass.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:I love sweetgrass.
Speaker C:That's a definitely a favorite of mine too.
Speaker C:It's very gentle.
Speaker C:Very gentle.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So there are definitely different herbs that are out there.
Speaker C:And generally what I would recommend is whatever land someone is standing on where, where you, your spirit, where you're living.
Speaker C:My suggestion would be for you to go to that land.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And you can ask that land, or if that's not something that somebody's comfortable doing, you can research it and then use those medicinal properties from that land where your energy is standing on.
Speaker C:That's kind of that in shamanism, that's important because if somebody like yourself, like, you are from Scotland.
Speaker C:Is this correct?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:So I, I, I could tell you right now your ancestors and your lineage and DNA, they had some special herbs and potions.
Speaker C:I'm Positive?
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:Those shamans in your lineage had some.
Speaker C:Now, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker C:So for you to go and utilize those things for yourself would be incredible.
Speaker C:You would get most.
Speaker B:I love the fact that I. I've known some indigenous, you know, Indian, North American Indians.
Speaker B:I'd like to say Native.
Speaker B:Native Americans that I've met, that.
Speaker B:I love the fact that they seem to be at one with nature.
Speaker B:And as you say, they always seem to ask permission of nature, whereas in the Western culture, we don't.
Speaker B:We seem to think that we're above it and that we can do whatever we want.
Speaker B:But they're always so respectful, and they're always like, you know, talk to the moon or the land or the animals.
Speaker B:And I love how you do a lot of work with animals, because there's so many people out there don't have that.
Speaker B:They don't have that connection.
Speaker B:They don't have that ability or that healing that comes with having those animals or connection with animals or helping people through their grieving.
Speaker B:Oh, you've gone, Wendy.
Speaker B:Oh, your back's all right.
Speaker B:Somebody tried to phone you.
Speaker C:Sorry about that.
Speaker C:I love that.
Speaker C:I love that you're shedding light on that, because there is such an honoring, for sure, and especially for the animals.
Speaker C:I do enjoy working with animals.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Over the holidays, I had a beautiful connection with a horse that I had met that was grieving.
Speaker C:And it was just a very powerful, beautiful, loving session.
Speaker C:You know, this horse, I mean, my partner and I, we were just grabbing some lunch, and I told him, I think there's horses here.
Speaker C:I could feel the stables.
Speaker C:The stables have got to be somewhere, because I feel like there's horses around.
Speaker C:And sure enough, we started discovering, and there was a beautiful horse.
Speaker C:And I tell you that that horse needed some healing.
Speaker C:And when I went and I. I worked with this horse, it was gorgeous.
Speaker C:And then I said, oh, the horse told me that.
Speaker C:That he was mourning morning.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Like mourning grief.
Speaker C:A loss.
Speaker C:There was some sort of loss happening.
Speaker C:And so the horse and I had this beautiful exchange, and we were leaving.
Speaker C:As we were leaving, I told my boyfriend, I said, you know what?
Speaker C:Why don't you stop?
Speaker C:I'm going to go into the restaurant where we had lunch, and I'd like to talk to the woman there that gave me directions to the stable.
Speaker C:So I stopped, I ran back in, and I was chatting with her, and I said, I went to go see the horses.
Speaker C:I said, you have one little horse, this great horse that's kind of sad.
Speaker C:Maybe you can give it, I don't know, some.
Speaker C:Some more love or something.
Speaker C:And her face got totally white and she backed up and she said, I just got shivers all over my body.
Speaker C:She said, we had a death.
Speaker C:We had a death.
Speaker C:And his.
Speaker C:His friend.
Speaker C:His horse friend passed away.
Speaker C:And he's.
Speaker C:You're correct.
Speaker C:That horse is.
Speaker C:Is grieving right now.
Speaker C:That horse is sad right now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love how.
Speaker B:How in.
Speaker B:In the shamanism side of things, you can.
Speaker B:You can break those barriers.
Speaker B:I. I've had people that come at me.
Speaker B:I've had people that come as me as a medium and in the past, and I've said, you know, I've lost my dog, and can you connect with my dog?
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I've actually done some scientific experiments with a scientist in connection with.
Speaker B:With communication with an animal on the other side of a dog.
Speaker B:But I remember saying that to this woman.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, I don't speak doggy and I don't speak for a cat.
Speaker B:I can't communicate that way.
Speaker B:But what you're exemplifying is that you're having these.
Speaker B:And I think it's so needed because people love their pets and people.
Speaker B:There's so many people there.
Speaker B:I get asked all the time, oh, my goodness.
Speaker B:They are grieving the loss of their animals, Their pets, their horses, their cats, their dogs, whatever it is.
Speaker B:And I think shamanism is a way of them coming to you to get help with that or even for them to take to a shamanistic path to learn to have that connection themselves.
Speaker B:I think that's beautiful.
Speaker B:It's not something I could do.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's beautiful.
Speaker C:I love that.
Speaker C:Because what you're recognizing is the soul level, right?
Speaker C:The soul level, yeah, of the spirit.
Speaker C:Because we're, you know, the spirit and the animal is a soul level of.
Speaker C:Of their sovereign spirit.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So being able to tap in to.
Speaker C:To that connection, to deliver help and healing to the grief and the loss and the trauma is special.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That's so.
Speaker C:I mean, I was just crying because it was just.
Speaker C:I was like.
Speaker C:The lady was just, like, amazed, and I said, wow.
Speaker B:And horses are so spiritual.
Speaker B:I mean, the Native Americans, they venerate the horse.
Speaker B:They honored the spirit of the horse.
Speaker B:I mean, some of them are named after the spirit of the horse or whatever else.
Speaker C:You know, I know there is a special connection.
Speaker C:And I wasn't even sure exactly what happened, because the message that he gave me was just that he was grieving and he was in loss.
Speaker C:So when she told me that there had been a death there with another, you know, another animal and his friend.
Speaker C:Then I was like, oh, wow, that's exact.
Speaker C:You know, the lights went off in my own head.
Speaker C:I was like, wow, that's miraculous.
Speaker B:Honestly, it's.
Speaker B:Do you know what, Wendy?
Speaker B:It's been an hour already.
Speaker B:We've actually come up to this time.
Speaker B:This is what I mean when we talk and you have some fun.
Speaker B:Wendy, thank you for coming on.
Speaker B:Optimizing human potential, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker B:Wendy is a beautiful soul who is a member of our network.
Speaker B:You'll be able to connect with her from the podcast.
Speaker B:Her details are going to be below that.
Speaker B:You can connect with her.
Speaker B:Wendy, what is it that you.
Speaker B:In passing.
Speaker B:And by the way, guys, she's going to come back.
Speaker B:So if you've got any questions.
Speaker B:I've got loads of questions about this.
Speaker B:If you've got any shamanistic questions, if you want to learn more about shamanism, send it in.
Speaker B:Go on to our holistic network or message us through our podcast.
Speaker B:Send in your questions because I'll put them to Wendy and she can come on and she can answer those questions.
Speaker B:She's going to be doing a class as well for our members and for other people out there.
Speaker B:We'll let you know about that.
Speaker B:But what is it you would like to leave people with about your work as a shaman and a message for them?
Speaker C:Yes, yes.
Speaker C:I know we're living in some difficult times.
Speaker C:I can feel my emotions coming up to the surface because I know that there is a lot of pain on this planet right now.
Speaker C:But I am here to help spread love, joy and peace.
Speaker C:And it's absolutely possible to find that within yourself.
Speaker C:And we do have resources and the spirits, they're here to conspire for us.
Speaker C:And I'm here, I'm here as a medicine person to spread that love and that joy and that connection.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's what I'm here to do.
Speaker B:So beautiful, Wendy, and tell them your website.
Speaker B:Tell them your website details so that I don't.
Speaker B:I don't ruin it by saying the wrong name.
Speaker B:Tell them how they can get in touch with you direct to book with you.
Speaker C:Yes, it's pulelehua spiritspa.com.
Speaker C:yes, pulele.
Speaker C:It's spelled P U L E L E h u a spirit spa.com and Pulelehua is the Hawaiian name for butterfly, which we all know is transformation.
Speaker B:That's brilliant.
Speaker B:So thank you.
Speaker B:Thank you so much for Wendy.
Speaker B:It's been absolutely brilliant having you on and it's going so quickly.
Speaker B:Ladies and gentlemen, she will definitely be back, but you can connect with her our website or you can connect with her on her profile on the Holistic Network which you'll get below as well.
Speaker B:Ask her any questions and do let us know what those are.
Speaker B:Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being our guest today.
Speaker B:Thank you for being with us.
Speaker B:Thank you for listening spending time with us on Optimizing Human Potential.
Speaker B:Just remember that you have deep potential inside of you.
Speaker B:You can optimize your life and mind, body and soul.
Speaker B:And in the Holistic Network we have those experts ready for you to connect with.
Speaker C:Thank you so much Jacques.
Speaker C:Thank you so so much.
Speaker B:Beautiful time.
Speaker B:God bless ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker B:We will see you in the next episode.
Speaker B:God Bless.
Speaker C:God Bless.
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